10. When God's Plan Doesn't Match Yours: Trusting Through Pregnancy Loss and Sleep Struggles

In this episode of Faith Over Fear: The Christian Pregnancy & Birth Podcast, I'm joined by Jamie Ortiz, a pediatric sleep coach, military spouse, and mama of two who shares her powerful journey through pregnancy loss, high-risk births, and finding God's faithfulness in the midst of heartbreak.

Jamie's motherhood story began with devastating loss—giving birth prematurely to her baby at 22 weeks while her husband was deployed overseas. But even in that unimaginable grief, God was preparing her heart with Scripture and dreams, showing her His character before the storm hit. Her subsequent pregnancies brought month-long hospitalizations and emergency deliveries—none of which looked like the plan she had envisioned.

Through it all, Jamie discovered that God's sovereignty doesn't diminish in our suffering—it sustains us through it. Her story is a beautiful testament to trusting the Lord's plan even when it looks nothing like what we expected, and how He can use our deepest pain to serve others in their greatest need.

Whether you're walking through pregnancy loss, navigating high-risk pregnancies, or feeling overwhelmed by sleepless nights with your little one—this episode offers hope, practical wisdom, and a fresh reminder that God sees you in every season.

In this episode, Jamie shares: 

🕊️ How God prepared her heart for loss through Scripture and dreams during her first pregnancy 

💔 The raw reality of losing a baby at 22 weeks and grieving while trusting God's goodness 

🏥 Navigating subsequent high-risk pregnancies, hospitalizations, and deployments 

👶 Her journey from sleep-deprived mama to certified pediatric sleep consultant 

💤 Practical encouragement for nursing moms struggling with sleep associations 

✝️ Why introducing bottles early creates healthier family dynamics and stronger marriages 

🤱 The importance of considering your whole family—not just baby—in sleep decisions

Scripture Shared: 

"He is the Lord. Let him do what is good in his eyes." – 1 Samuel 3:18

Mentioned in this episode:

📸 Jamie's Instagram: @littleonessleepsociety

🌙 Pediatric sleep coaching for families with children up to age 6, including neurodivergent support: learn more at littleonessleepsociety.com

💖 Work with Me 1:1 – Doula Support & Coaching: Explore birth support and childbirth education for your pregnancy and birth journey

✨ Christian Mama Birth Prep Library; Free birth prep tools, worship playlist & more 

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Let's keep choosing trust over control, one story at a time. Go here for the full blog post, show notes, and all resources mentioned!"

Transcript

Natalie: 0:44

Hey friend, and welcome back to Faith Over Fear, the Christian Pregnancy and Birth podcast. I'm so glad you're here with us today, and I'm joined today by Jamie Ortiz. She's a pediatric sleep coach, a military spouse and mama of two, with a special certification to support neurodivergent children up to age six. She's passionate about helping families find sleep solutions that are not just effective, but also compassionate and personalized. Before we get into the work, Jamie does as a sleep consultant, she's going to start by sharing her own powerful journey into motherhood, including the highs, the heartbreaks, and the ways God met her in each season. So Jamie, thank you so much for being here today. I know your motherhood journey kind of began in a, a heartbreaking way, but would you feel comfortable just sharing the story of your first pregnancy and just how the Lord met you in the midst of that loss?

Jamie Ortiz: 1:40

Yeah, so thank you first for having me. I'm so excited to be here. And you know, you really never know if your story resonates with somebody else who might, you know, another woman who's kind of going through it, right? We were stationed in Hawaii at the time that I got pregnant with our firstborn. And my husband was set to deploy and so we decided go back home. Right? So you're not by yourself, you're, we are around family. All of those fun things. And the morning that I landed later that night I thought, I, honestly, I thought I peed myself. I was laughing so hard I thought. I peed myself, which they say happens when you're pregnant. And my sister-in-law was like, no, like that's too much. And then there was like no color in it, you know? So I was like, okay. My water broke. I was five months pregnant. I was about a week. Two weeks shy of when the lungs come in. And I can't remember what week that is. I think that's in week 24. So I think I was like about 20 weeks at this point. And so I, I get hospitalized. My husband calls me, he's like, Hey, we just landed in Korea, which was where he was doing his, deployment. And I said, I literally just got to the hospital and my water broke and, you know everything was going fine. They had a plan for me. They were like, you know, there was no fluid whatsoever. So there were of course concerns that baby wasn't gonna develop the way the baby should develop. The doctor was like, you know, he the baby, we didn't know the gender yet. I knew it was a boy. I definitely know that the reason why I had the dreams that I had was because. God knew, right? So I knew it was gonna be a boy. And then she wanted me to terminate and I thought she was absolutely insane. I said, I don't care if this baby has its arm growing out of his head. Like I'm keeping him. Like, how, how dare you? So they came up with a plan of, you know, bed rest. And then after about a week or so, they were going to release me and then bring me back to a different hospital that had like a stronger nicu.'cause they knew that I wasn't gonna go full term. They just didn't know when. And so all that was into play. And then the day that I was getting released to go back home, I was complaining about, about a pain, and I have two herniated discs. So they, I just thought, well, I've been in bed for about two weeks. It's, it's my disc. But they checked me out anyway. And this like, literally as a nurse was taking out my iv, they were like rushing in, like, no, no, no. You have a blood clot, you have this, you have that. And it's like, okay. So I couldn't leave. Now it becomes an emergency for like my husband too.'cause at this point he wasn't set to come anyway. It was, we were just gonna wait. And then if. If you guys know, if your spouse is deployed, anytime there's an emergency that requires them, you have to send a Red Cross message and it has to go through like all these people before it gets to him. Thankfully, he has his phone, so he knew everything in real time. And so I stayed in the hospital and then it just got to the point where. He just wasn't going to, he wasn't gonna wait. But he didn't have his lungs yet. So at that point, my body gave birth. We knew he wasn't gonna make it. My husband did make it literally 30 minutes before it was time to start pushing. And that was because my brother's in law enforcement. And so he picked him up and brought him like with the sirens on, and he like. He made it. And so, I mean, yeah, we knew he wasn't gonna make it. My, it was my immediate family and my husband in the room. And it was depressing, as you could imagine. But it was also really great'cause my dad prayed over our son, he prayed over us. We were there as a family. And then every pregnancy after that has been nothing but drama filled and a high risk, I mean, just everything. My husband was deployed for our, the son that we have now, and same thing, I had to be hospitalized for a month and a half, and then my water broke. Just a mess. And we have two children here, you know, on earth, a boy and a girl, and six and four, and they keep me busy and I love them.

Natalie: 5:27

Oh, Jamie, that is insane that that was your experience, especially not having your husband there, that you were navigating all of that

Jamie Ortiz: 5:36

Yeah.

Natalie: 5:37

Oh my goodness.

Jamie Ortiz: 5:37

Yeah. I mean, they knew at that point I think while he was, he was, had a layover in some state, and that's when we knew the baby's not gonna make it. And so I didn't make that phone call. My dad handled that phone call. He's like, do you wanna do it or do you want me? And I said, no, you do it. I'm, I don't want, I don't wanna do it. And so, you know, it was just like, it was crazy. And at the same time, I saw God throughout the beginning of that pregnancy always felt wrong. Something was like I was bleeding the entire first trimester, which they say can happen, but it's very rare then, you know I kept having dreams of this boy and different ages. Different ages, and I knew, I'm like, I'm having a boy. Like I know it. And then I remember I was early on pregnant and I was reading, I think it was First Kings or First Samuel. I always get them confused, but Elijah knows his son isn't gonna make it. And he says he is the Lord. Let him do what is good in his eyes. And for whatever reason that stuck with me and I wrote it down, I put it on my mirror. I looked at it every day. I had no idea that it was gonna turn into what it turned out to be, but when I knew he wasn't gonna make it, that's what I kept going to. Like, I just kept going back to that verse so that I wouldn't go insane.'cause as you could imagine, like, you know so a lot of crying, of course, by myself, I would not, I didn't wanna cry in front of my family. Even when my husband was in the shower, that's when I would cry. I would not cry in front of him. I mean, I, but when they were gonna release me, had they released me because of that blood clot, I would've probably died in my sleep at this point if we're honest, because you, I feel like everybody dies in their sleep from a blood clot instead of having it do its thing when you're awake. So yeah, it was, it was pretty crazy.

Natalie: 7:13

But I mean, what a powerful thing that the Lord was going before you

Jamie Ortiz: 7:19

Mm-hmm.

Natalie: 7:19

and just showing you his heart. And his character ahead of everything else that was going to unfold because the Lord knew,

Jamie Ortiz: 7:28

Yeah.

Natalie: 7:29

and for whatever reason that's what he had decided

Jamie Ortiz: 7:33

Mm-hmm.

Natalie: 7:34

your story be. but I mean, how beautiful that he was so close to you during that time. it's so sad to think that you were, you know, just having to grieve kind of in silence, but that you did have the Lord there with you too. Navigate all of the,

Jamie Ortiz: 7:51

yeah,

Natalie: 7:52

that would go along with a, a loss like that.

Jamie Ortiz: 7:55

yeah. And I felt all the emotions. I didn't feel anger and I didn't question Him either. Which I think some women, when they do it, they, they struggle. And I think that's natural. Like, I think that I was not natural in that moment. Like it was supernatural that I didn't go to that side where like I wasn't mad or I wasn't questioning him. It was like, well, I don't know why he did it, but I mean, who am I? Do you know what I mean?

Natalie: 8:18

Yeah.

Jamie Ortiz: 8:18

just leave the, the grief to be private because that's just how I am. But

Natalie: 8:23

Yeah. Yeah. And we all grieve so differently.

Jamie Ortiz: 8:26

yeah.

Natalie: 8:27

and then you had a somewhat complicated second pregnancy

Jamie Ortiz: 8:30

Oh.

Natalie: 8:30

Do you mind kind of sharing what all happened in that pregnancy and birth experience?

Jamie Ortiz: 8:35

Yeah, so with him, his name's Daniel. He my husband again was getting ready to deploy. I don't remember if it was back to afr I think it was Korea or Poland. Poland. And same thing. I'm getting ready, you know, we're getting things getting ready. They found out that I had a septate uterus, so they, I had surgery, which is why my water broke so early. With our firstborn, they. Figure that out. So that was, then it be, they kept monitoring me as a high risk. And then literally the day before we were supposed to leave Texas to go back home'cause I was gonna go back home'cause he was deploying they were like, oh my gosh, you almost have no cervix. Your cervix has thinned out so much. And I'm like, we, I've literally been here every week and it's been fine. So then now I'm freaking out. Like, I didn't know what that meant because that wasn't the issue the first time. So I'm like. Okay, what does that mean? And, you know, they explained everything. So they opened the or so that I could have surgery on that Saturday. Made sure that, you know, I was fine to, to travel'cause I, I can't fly at this point as a pregnant person with a, that had a history of DVT, and then so we, we drove then my husband drives back to Texas. And I think at my first high risk appointment, the doctor was like, no girl. Your cervix is still, extra thin than the last time. My advice is you, at least you get hospitalized. Put you on bedrest, monitor you. I was there for a month and a half. Had to cancel everything that I had for my baby shower, move it over to the hospital, which was so, it was great. It was cute, you know. Actually loved my experience there. Me and my mom joke around all the time that it was a hotel stay because I got garden privileges, which is nice'cause some of these women were, they were also on bedrest, but they couldn't even get out of the room. Like, I could at least go downstairs, I could go outside. So I'm like, you know, it, it ended up being great. But then they, me, I go back home and I think like a week later, my water broke. I was seven months pregnant at this time. So my husband was not there for the birth. He was there via FaceTime. Thank God that there is technology. And then my body does not take to epidural, so I felt, they gave me, I think three times the epidural and my body was like, no girl, we're not doing this. So I felt everything, you know, ripped from all front to back, felt all of that when they were sewing me back up. I mean, it was. Awful. But they were prepared for him. So he had, you know, they gave him the steroid shots for him. So he was completely healthy. I mean, he just, he was in the NICU for like two weeks. He didn't need help breathing. So that's great.'cause you know, some babies, most of the babies in the nicu, they need that support. He didn't need that support. He was a massive preemie. And then with my daughter, she's, she got to eight months, I was eight months with her. The only thing with her was that I, she ended up being emergency C-section. I needed two blood transfusions. And I mean, it's just not, I mean, listen, even after my son, I was ready to just be done being pregnant, like my body does not do well. But God had other plans'cause we did everything but abstinence to not have one. And the Lord was like, nah, you know, we're gonna give you the girl. And she is like, she's so funny. I love her so much. She's my wild.

Natalie: 11:34

that's so well, and I didn't realize your son was also named Daniel. That's my son's name.

Jamie Ortiz: 11:39

Oh yeah. I love that name. It's such a good, strong name. Yeah,

Natalie: 11:41

the like, the best. And it, he's named after my dad, Daniel. But I also just love Daniel in the Bible

Jamie Ortiz: 11:47

yeah,

Natalie: 11:48

you know, he was a man who was in the world, but not of the world.

Jamie Ortiz: 11:52

yeah.

Natalie: 11:53

wanted to, I mean, I, I pray that over both of my kids, but that was one of the biggest reasons why I named him that, because I just love Daniel in the Bible. But

Jamie Ortiz: 12:01

Yes. Yeah.

Natalie: 12:03

Yeah. And I have one of each too, so I, I get it. The, the girl and the boy well then how did you become a sleep consultant? Did, did that kind of start after your very wild birth experiences? How did, how did the Lord kind of draw you into that line of work?

Jamie Ortiz: 12:23

So, I mean, I, for most it's the same. You're sleep deprived and you're like, what are we gonna do? And I started researching for my son when he was eight months old, but it was so crazy expensive and I'm like. I'm sorry, I don't have$800 to give, you know, so we did the old school like, well, you just cry and you'll be all right. Like, all your needs are met. No baby has ever passed away from crying. We all went through it. Our relationships with our parents are great'cause, you know, so let's do it. He was on a schedule, so he didn't even cry. He just needed his own space. And so for my daughter, I was like, okay, we're gonna do this differently. And so after her, that's when I was like, okay, I'm gonna actually do this because. Parents need to know, like it's not just one thing, there's different ways of going about it. And so then I got certified through the Cradle Coach Academy and I mean, I haven't looked back since and it's been almost four years now.

Natalie: 13:13

That's so cool. Yeah, there's no one size fits all. All

Jamie Ortiz: 13:17

Right. I.

Natalie: 13:17

to sleep training. And I will recommend, you know, certain courses and things and, you know, now that we've connected, I, I recommend clients to you, but I think there is a lot of about sleep training. That it only looks one way or that it's just. Like, you're not responsive to your kids,

Jamie Ortiz: 13:39

Right, right.

Natalie: 13:40

it's too schedule oriented or, know, it is just, it's not personalized. So for, you know, mamas who are listening to this that want to explore quote unquote sleep training, what encouragement could you give to them about what that might look like or what that even looks like with your practice?

Jamie Ortiz: 14:00

So the first thing I would say is think about what are your end goals and how do you want to get there, right? Because sometimes families, they don't have a lot of time. I've worked with a family where they were both doctors. They did not have time to do the most gentle type approach.'cause I'm very honest. I said, this can work, but you're gonna be doing this for a few weeks. So do you want. Faster results or are you okay? So think about how fast do you wanna get there? And the other thing is to also remember that yes, any consultant should try and make the parents comfortable. Sometimes what makes'em comfortable is not what the baby needs. Like it will not fit the baby's temperament. Now, when we say temperament, we're talking babies eight months up. Younger than that, I mean, it's, it's, it's a whole different ballgame in my opinion. But being very realistic about what you're okay with, what you're not okay with. Let the person you speak with who's gonna be in charge. Come up, coming up with your sleep plan. No, these are, this is what I'm okay with. This is not what I'm okay with. I'm okay with meeting in the middle, that type of thing. And so I like to ask. The same. I ask questions when I'm having a consultation with a family, I say, what questions do you have for me? And then I will let them know I'm okay with meeting in the middle and changing things up as long as it has this progressing forward, whatever that that looks like. And sometimes it looks like a combination of different methods. And do you wanna be on a schedule? Do you not wanna schedule? Okay, great, then let's work with this. Let's do this. And I think it's just, communication, it's teamwork. Parents have to be honest throughout the process with the sleep consultant, because we're seeing it from like, I wanna get you to point A to point B. I'm not emotionally invested, right? But I'm thinking of it more logically. Let me get you guys to your goal. So if there's something that you feel is not right, you need to let. Me? No. Or whatever sleep consultant you're working with.

Natalie: 15:47

Yeah, I, I can totally see that because it is, of have to do some soul searching

Jamie Ortiz: 15:52

Yeah.

Natalie: 15:53

you are, you are especially a first time parent,

Jamie Ortiz: 15:57

Mm-hmm.

Natalie: 15:57

there's this. of like, oh, when I'm a parent, I'm gonna do this, or I'll never do that. And then you actually become a parent and it changes the game, the things that you thought you would want to do, you don't wanna do the things you said you would never do,

Jamie Ortiz: 16:14

Yeah.

Natalie: 16:14

you're doing them. And, and that's not to say like, oh, you're a, you know, you don't know yourself or whatever. But I'm just saying. When you're in it,

Jamie Ortiz: 16:22

Mm-hmm.

Natalie: 16:23

it can kind of change based on your circumstances and your situations. And then also having subsequent children where they have a totally different temperament than the first, then you have to relearn. All of the things and have, and be fine with pivoting the approach that you had the first time. I know that's what we went through where Ellie was a fantastic sleeper. And we did taking care of babies and it was a phenomenal course because Ellie was such an easy sleeper. And then Daniel, we did not have that luxury of being able to just stay strict to like the rhythms and the schedules and all the things like we did with Ellie. so Daniel just didn't have that type of smooth sleep, you know, you know, he just, it took more time for him and he's a great sleeper now, but I mean, it, it took over a year.

Jamie Ortiz: 17:16

Yeah.

Natalie: 17:17

whereas with Ellie, five and a half months, she was like sleep trained,

Jamie Ortiz: 17:20

Yeah.

Natalie: 17:21

sleeping 12 hours through the night. And so, yeah, it's just, it's different. And it's so important to just have that grace for yourself as you're learning all this whole other side of parenting.

Jamie Ortiz: 17:33

Even in your own kids, if you're on kid two, kid three or anything after your first child, even if you were to sleep, train them at the same, at the same age you did the first one. There's no guarantee that what you did the first time around is gonna work the second time around because they're so different. So, you know, that's, I think that's why I always love working. I have a few families that I've worked with who are on kid two or three, and they're like, we don't even wanna attempt on our own. We're we already know who we're gonna go with. And she knows us already. I know what to present them with. I know their style. And it just makes it a lot easier and it makes it feel like more like your friends really, when you've already kind of connected in that way. So I love it.

Natalie: 18:09

I love that. for the tired mamas listening who feel like they've tried everything, but nothing seems to be working, is there a simple mindset shift? Or something that you could encourage them to take away from your expertise.

Jamie Ortiz: 18:25

I would say, I actually wanna speak to the nursing mom because every family that I work with, when there is nursing, that is a, a big association that babies have naturally, right. As a sleep consultant, we're not going in to say, you're never nursing your baby. You're not doing, we're not doing that. But I will say, I, I highly encourage, once your milk is established, once you know everything's going smooth, introduce the bottle for at least one feeding. Number one, that is gonna give you a break. Number two, it gives somebody else a chance to to to connect with, with your baby, but also. If at any point you are not available to feed your baby, they understand how to take a bottle because I finished up with a family recently and she would leave work to come nurse and then go back to work because baby refused from anybody else. And then we started working on sleep training and he was taking it from dad. The nanny, I mean, just. Huge changes and more because of what it did for her mental psyche.'cause I think sometimes we're so baby mode, we forget, okay, well how is this affecting me? Because now I feel like I'm just nonstop, nonstop as a feeder, which okay, you know, baby needs you to feed. Of course. But then also, what is it doing to your spouse? They're looking at you depleting because you're, you're doing so much. Maybe you're not even sleeping in the same room.'cause I've worked with families that they have not slept in the room since baby was born, right? So be honest with your spouse. Where are you at? What is it that your spouse wants? Some husbands are afraid to be honest with their wives because they don't wanna hurt them. But be honest with each other. Offer at least one bottle wants that milk and everything has been established. And then think about what is your goal at the end of the day when baby is however old. What do you want sleep to look like for you and for this baby? Because if baby's not sleeping, you're not sleeping. If you're not sleeping, you are not going to be as a hundred percent of yourself as you wanna be.

Natalie: 20:29

I love that you say that because we definitely struggled with that whole bottle situation.

Jamie Ortiz: 20:35

Yeah.

Natalie: 20:35

Ellie where we did not introduce a bottle until she was well past, I, I wanna say. Like, I know you're supposed to try and introduce it between three to six weeks when breastfeeding is well established, whatever that means for the, you know,

Jamie Ortiz: 20:52

Right.

Natalie: 20:53

and the baby. I mean some, some families. It really is closer to that six week mark.

Jamie Ortiz: 20:57

Mm-hmm.

Natalie: 20:57

were well past that. And so we kind of missed that window of opportunity to try to introduce the bottle to her. And by the time we did, she absolutely refused the bottle. She only wanted the breast. And that made me so stressed out. There was like an instance when she was maybe eight weeks old, and I had a dentist appointment and I had to leave her and left her here with Brian. then Brian calls me like on the verge of tears because she's not taking the bottle that we, you know, have been trying to give her. And it was just, it was so stressful. Just, I mean, little things like going to the dentist became this whole ordeal because we. We didn't have that, you know, that foresight to, okay, let, this is a good idea, even if this isn't a super regular thing, but, but just with some regularity, a couple bottles a week having dad or, you know, nanny or somebody else, grandparent give the bottle. Usually it's, you know, helpful for mom to even not be in the room or sometimes even in the house. If that baby is, is very much preferring to only nurse. But that does it, it establishes such a healthy dynamic in the family to where mom doesn't feel like the feeding responsibility only it, you know, it can only be her

Jamie Ortiz: 22:15

Mm-hmm.

Natalie: 22:16

then dad and other family and friends and sitters can be involved with the care. So mom and dad can step away separately.

Jamie Ortiz: 22:26

Right.

Natalie: 22:27

you know, eventually for, for dates and seeing friends and down the line going on a trip. You know,

Jamie Ortiz: 22:34

Yeah.

Natalie: 22:34

it's so helpful and, and I was so grateful for that experience to just be able to kind of know the mindset behind that. And it was truly just a place for me with Ellie, where I just wanted to love my baby girl by just nursing her and, and all the things. But I, I neglected. That other half of, but this also puts all of us at a disadvantage.

Jamie Ortiz: 23:01

Right.

Natalie: 23:02

and, and so it is important to do that. So I'm glad you brought that up because that is a huge part. And then, you know, the sharing that, that responsibility in the night so that mom can actually.

Jamie Ortiz: 23:12

Yes.

Natalie: 23:12

sleep with a child. Like I said, Ellie was a good sleeper and so that was the other kind of, it was like a, you know, double-edged sword there where she was a good sleeper and so it wasn't like a, an issue for me to nurse her'cause she would usually go right back down to sleep.

Jamie Ortiz: 23:25

Yeah.

Natalie: 23:26

yeah, if you're a, if you're a mom, if nursing your baby who just will not go back to sleep or really has an issue sleeping after nursing in the night,

Jamie Ortiz: 23:36

Yeah.

Natalie: 23:36

help

Jamie Ortiz: 23:37

Yeah.

Natalie: 23:38

is vital

Jamie Ortiz: 23:39

Oh my gosh.

Natalie: 23:40

your functioning.

Jamie Ortiz: 23:41

Exactly. I mean, it's not even just like, oh, I feel rested and have energy. It's like, no, it actually, if you are sleep deprived, it affects everything in your body, so like, it's, it's more than, oh, let me just sleep, train, because, you know, nobody's sleeping. I do it honestly more because of the, the couples that I work with. Like, I'm here for your marriage and if your husband is sleeping or you are sleeping in separate rooms for going on six, seven months, I'm not okay with that. I can guarantee your spouse isn't okay with it. He just doesn't know how to tell you because we're protective over our babies. Right. So, you know, I always say like, we need to think about. All those things so that nobody gets forgotten in the mix of, while we're trying to figure out what does motherhood look like, because it is, you kind of get lost in it, especially your first time around'cause you don't know what you're doing and you know, you wanna be the best that you can be and you know and actually the other thing is, I would say really more towards like month, three of your, of your baby being born. Aim to at least put them down for a nap in their own sleep space at least once per day. Get them used to what is going to be where they are going to, you know, end up eventually. Co-sleeping is, is a real thing. Most of the babies that I work with is because they're co-sleeping and they don't know how to kind of gently find ways to get them to their own space. So, you know, aim at least one nap after baby is three months old or at three months and get them used to their spot.

Natalie: 25:02

I love that. Well, thank you, Jamie. So much for sharing your personal stories and your incredible expertise. If a family wants to connect with you to learn more about sleep consulting and, and ways that you can serve them in that way, how can people get ahold of you?

Jamie Ortiz: 25:19

You can find me on Instagram under@littleonessleepsociety, or on my website, littleonessleepsociety.com.

Natalie: 25:28

Wonderful. And I'll have all of that in the show notes as well. but thank you so much again. You are a delight, and I just loved hearing your wild stories. It is not about, perfection in motherhood. is not about things going exactly to the plan that you wanted for your birth, your motherhood journey, your sleep journey, truly is up to the Lord and in his sovereignty to have everything pan out the way that he has called it to and, and when we. Like what you did, where you just have time to meditate on that and to really just trust the Lord, not just in theory, but as it's happening. Trusting him with the outcome, knowing that he is in control, even when it seems out of control, even if the outcome that happens was the literal last thing you wanted,

Jamie Ortiz: 26:26

Right.

Natalie: 26:26

still good

Jamie Ortiz: 26:27

Yeah.

Natalie: 26:27

in that situation. that.

Jamie Ortiz: 26:31

oh gosh, I'll talk about Him anytime. And the amount of women that I've been able to actually, military spouses specifically, I've gone through. So they're almost the same type of story, and I'm like, I've never had that happen before, and now all of a sudden it happens to me and there's like all these women in my face that are going through it, and I'm like, I mean, at least I know. So it's not for nothing. Do you know what I mean? So,

Natalie: 26:55

And you're so right. I feel like the more we share our stories, the more other women come out of the woodworks and they're like, that happened to me too. Or that happened to somebody close that I love. And it just brings us all together especially as sisters in Christ where we get to just. Band together and be like, you know what, this, this situation sucks.

Jamie Ortiz: 27:18

Yes.

Natalie: 27:19

I have some, some friends and you know, clients right now walking through some very, very hard stuff. But you know, when we, when we bring other women, into this experience, we get to love and encourage each other in a way that's like. Filled with truth. It is not you know, I hope things work out or I hope everything is okay, but knowing

Jamie Ortiz: 27:42

Yeah.

Natalie: 27:43

the Lord truly is working all things for our good and his glory always in everything and we get to rest in that truth uniquely, as those that love and follow Jesus.

Jamie Ortiz: 27:55

Yeah, absolutely.

Natalie: 27:58

appreciate you,

Jamie Ortiz: 27:58

Thank you. I appreciate it.